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Poll: Tim Cahill or a Republican for Lieutenant Governor?

by: South Shore Republican

Thu Nov 19, 2009 at 12:31:20 PM EST


Last week's bombshell revelation, that Baker campaign insiders may have offered the spot of number two to Commonwealth Treasurer Tim Cahill, has sparked off some heated debate about who the Lieutenant Governor should be and about Baker's commitment to the Republican Party with in GOP circles statewide. While some like myself initially took such news lightly, upon further reflection have considered such a move a underhanded and disrespectful of a statewide party that has for the past few years been on the ropes. While some may debate the validity of the offer to Cahill, I think it is time for Republicans to have a conversation about who the Lieutenant Governor should be and I think Republicans should make it clear to Mihos and Baker that their pick be one of us.

The pick of Lieutenant Governor is important for a variety of reasons and chief among them are, (1) a good LG would help in the governing process, (2) a good LG would also help politically by bringing more people to the fold and potentially boost fundraising. What is frequently forgotten about this pick is the long term; the pick for Lieutenant Governor would potentially be the heir apparent to the Governorship and the state Republican Party (for good or ill) in eight years, meaning the decision process is crucial and why it is also crucial that it not be a DEMOCRAT. Baker's consideration of Cahill should send shockwaves to Republicans, and I posit that it is a scenario that is absolutely to be avoided. That is why I offer the following two people who could be a way out of a bad decision for the Baker campaign: State Representative Jeff Perry(R-Sandwich) of the Cape, and former State Representative Paul Loscocco (R-Holliston) of MetroWest.

We've talked about this before, but it's time to talk about it again. We can't afford a Democrat as our running mate.
(More after the jump)

South Shore Republican :: Poll: Tim Cahill or a Republican for Lieutenant Governor?
So why have I narrowed it down to these two names, from the many I profiled a few months ago? These two candidates offer to Baker what he needs right now: credibility among Republicans. With the news coming out that Baker seemed to be thinking about giving the nod to Tim Cahill, it (rightly) was viewed as a smack in the face to a Republican establishment and base that has already gone far out of its way to offer him their support. Picking a Democrat like Cahill, not only sends the message that the Republican party lacks leaders capable of the post, but also lacks the trust of the person at the top of the ticket. Years later, it would also leave the Republicans without a visible leader who could run themselves. It would be a terribly selfish and disastrous move for the Baker to make.

Politically it would also ignite the campaign of Christy Mihos as he struggles to paint Baker an insider and not "Republican" enough. Being a social moderate himself, Christy's message that Baker is a RINO has not gained much steam, but if Baker picks a Democrat as his running mate it would be a whole different story. It would give Mihos his wedge where he currently doesn't have much of one, and immediately Mihos would claim a a disaffected primary base and Republican Primary voters. Gay Marriage and Abortion are issues that are off the table as wedge issues in this campaign, since Mihos and Baker seem to be on the same page, giving Mihos little room to carve his niche apart from the issue of Second Ammendment rights. This puts Charlie in a good position to run in the primary, but picking a Democrat would be opening a hole that Christy Mihos would be able to run a freight train through... Charlie, you don't want to do that.

Instead I offer two alternatives that would bolster the Republican credentials to the ticket and also offer a solid governing partner: Jeff Perry and Paul Loscocco.

Jeff Perry has become in recent years one of the most visible faces of the Republican Party throughout the state because of his support for candidates in nearly every county in the Commonwealth. His base of support on the Cape is solid, and for years its been speculated that Perry might aim to move up. This is probably the year that he is going to do  something.. As a candidate on the ticket he would assuage a base that might be fickle to Baker's old school Yankee-moderate patrician shtick, and would also make a strong claim to Cape Cod voters who have long been (until recently) reliable Republican voters in the general election, and who could come out strong for native son Christy Mihos of Yarmouth. Perry is also pro-gun, which would keep Mihos from gaining his wedge on that issue.  Of course, Politically Perry  is far  to Baker's right , and his campaign, seems fixated on projecting a moderate image  on social issues. As a governing partner, he would be an effective advocate for Baker's policies although he has been a bit less collegial with the Democrats than some of his fellow Republicans in the caucus (a plus to the Republican base). Perry has been making some curious moves lately with many speculating, a run for Congress or State Senate might be in his future. Running for Congress might be risky, as redistricting would inevitably leave him without a district in a few short years, but running for State Senate would give Baker or Mihos a key ally in a body with increasingly fewer Republicans. The question thus for Baker, is where Perry is more valuable. I didn't initially include Perry in the profiles I did a few months back, but in many ways he has quickly become one of the more polished and articulate voices for conservatives state wide and I think ought to be one of the final picks for the Baker campaign.

The next candidate is someone who enjoys strong support from RedMassGroup readers (and a small but vocal group of critics focused on his support for gay marriage to be noted as well), and who  is rumored to be one of the top choices for Lieutenant Governor is Paul Loscocco. His momentum continues to build as several of the biggest fundraisers and key Republican officials in the state are quietly lining up behind him.  While  a bit more moderate than a Jeff Perry, Loscocco brings strong support of Republican interests voters like anti-tax, anti-toll, pro-lifers, and gun rights supporters while not projecting a hard party line. Affable and temperate, Loscocco's approach not only has made him a skilled negotiator and deal maker as a legislator, but it would also not interrupt or distract from a candidate like Baker and provide the Baker administration with a major asset on Beacon Hill. While Loscocco's position on Gay Marriage may be moderate by the standards of some conservatives,  his support of marriage takes the issue off the table in the general election which seems to be a top priority for Baker. In addition Loscocco could help deliver THE key swing area of the state to Baker in a big way: MetroWest.  Loscocco's name recognition throughout the heart of Metrowest is high and could make major inroads for Republicans in those communities. Loscocco appeals well to suburban, unenrolled,  professional voters(that have troubled Republicans in recent elections) by being one of them, who speaks their language. Loscocco's demonstrated ability to attract independent and Democratic votes could be key to Baker's ability to win in a race that includes Cahill and Patrick. Loscocco also resonates with Catholics -a key bloc of voters in the state. While Democrats have gotten the memo in putting forward candidates with ethnic names and backgrounds like Capuano, Khazei, Coakley, and Pagliuca, Republicans have been more reticent in this to their own drawback. Republicans need to appeal to voters beyond the Country Club, and picking someone like Loscocco is a step in the right direction toward this end. Loscocco is a tireless campaigner, and will stay on Baker's message.  As LG, Loscocco's unparalleled reputation in the Statehouse as a guy who will stand for principal, but also is able to work with Democrats, will allow Baker to build a bridge to Democratic leadership in the Statehouse that he will need to be relevant in the governing process.

(My past profile, and the ensuing discussion on Loscocco can be viewed here)

Picking a Democrat like Cahill would be a disaster for Baker, and could additionally lead to some major governing difficulties. Here are two stellar candidates(and I contend our best) that would help avoid that mistake, and provide Republicans with some strong leadership in years to come.

Poll
Who should be the GOP candidate for Lieutenant Governor?
A Democrat or "Independent" like Tim Cahill
A Republican like Jeff Perry or Paul Loscocco

Results

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Rules (0.00 / 0)
I thought it would be impossible for either Republican candidate to pick a Democrat as LG, unless they switched party - if Cahill was picked - wouldn't he have to register as a Republican.  

If Mihos picked John Sullivan - who he picked last time - he was and assume still is a Democrat - and he would have to register now as a Republican.  


Sorry (0.00 / 0)
The post below was meant to be a reply in this spot :)

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Actually (5.00 / 1)
I don't think any candidate can "pick" a running mate per se.  Lt Gov is a separate office with a separate election choice...separate ballot choice.  It is conceivable that a member of one party could be elected Gov and the Lt Gov be chosen from the other party.  Not sure if it's ever happened, but I remember it being discussed when either Weld or Romney was running.

If I'm mistaken, please someone speak up.  

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Volpe and Bellotti were different parties. (4.00 / 1)
But - the Gov/Lt Gov still have to be chosen independently.

I think that now, there are seperate primaries, and single ticket in general.

Hence, Healey and Rappaport.  Had Rappaport won the primary, it would have been a Romney/Rappaport ticket.  A gubernatorial candidate CAN indicate a preference, but the Lt Gov must win the primary on their own.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican


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So (0.00 / 0)
As things are now could there be a situation where we could get a gov and lt gov of different parties?

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No - that got fixed AFTER Bellotti! (4.00 / 1)

Now - there are seperate PRIMARIES for Gov/Lt Gov.  The winners of those primaries run 'together' for the general election.


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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OK (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for the clarification.  I was really banging the cobwebs out trying to remember if that was possible.

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to clarify (0.00 / 0)
I understand and agree with you that no one is picked.. but what I was saying was  - that to be on the ballot as LG on the Republican ticket (post primary now) with either Mihos or Baker - that first that person would have to register as a Republican and go to the convention.  

What I am saying is that there can't be a Republican Gov candidate and a different party LG candidate by law - at least I think I'm right about that.  

So someone can't just run as an independent for LG - and hitch a ride on a major party candidate.  


The cutoff date for changing party is 12/1 - so Cahill had better think quick (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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Hypothetical Question (0.00 / 0)
Does that mean if one has not deregistered as a party member to unenrolled by 12/1 that they cannot run as an independent in the general?

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As far as I know, that is correct. Where's Galvin to answer questions when you need him? (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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I think I'm with you...but not sure (0.00 / 0)
Yup....I think your right on part of that....as far as rules of the party, but (and I too may be wrong) there is nothing that says the Gov and Lt must be of the same party.  Usually that is the case, and it public knowledge that a candidate is running "with" someone as their running mate.  But I don't think it's prohibited that the voters may choose a GOP as gov and an indie or DEM as Lt gov.  In other words your vote for Gov does not indicate your choice for Lt Gov, so there is nothing preventing someone from splitting their vote....AT least that was my recollection...totally willing to be corrected if I'm mistaken, or I misunderstood your comment (which is always possible too).

Can we getting a ruling from the judges on this one?  Cause honestly I'm questioning myself now.  But something nagging at me says this was a real possibility in my lifetime....a split decision.

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so in '06 (0.00 / 0)
In the general election - to vote for Kerry Healey and Reed Hillman - you voted twice - once for Healey and once again for Hillman?  I don't really remember - you are right we do need a ruling from the judges.   I thought that in the primary you vote twice - but then just once in the general.  I could be wrong.  

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Sorry (0.00 / 0)
I sent the conversation down a rabbit hole.  As PP pointed out above that was the case in recent history, but is no longer so.  I must be getting old....to be remember that scenario.

My mistake

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This is Tough (0.00 / 0)
The reality is with Cahill and Baker both in the race, there simply are not enough votes to defeat Patrick with. While Cahill is a former Democrat, perhaps its not such a bad thing for our party which is in the hole about 25% in registration to the Democrats. After all, issue by issue, where is Baker that different from Cahill? Cahill has higher approval ratings among Republicans than does Baker (at the moment). While Cahill still has some of that old time Democratic slime hanging around him, this may be a good move for the GOP in the short term, and possibly the long term. If the GOP could break the Democratic hegemony in places like Revere, Quincy, Weymouth, Braintree, Lowell, and Norwood, (ie. where a guy like Cahill might have some push) and make what are usually Conservative-Moderate voters in those cities consider themselves as Republican leaning instead, this could reap the party great benefits in 2010 and beyond.

Perhaps by offering the Lt. Gov's spot, we are making a play to expand the party.

And lets face facts, as much as I like Jeff Perry and Paul Loscocco, who is going to pull more voters? A State Rep from the Metrowest or the Cape, or former County Treasurer with multiple statewide victories?

Unfortunately, its not going to happen, so I dont know why we are continuing to make a fuss over the offer. Its gone and past.  


County Treasurers (0.00 / 0)

Really interesting idea gieven the financial condition ofthe state.  Are there any current county treasurers that are Republicans?  Any former ones come to mind?  Which counties have elected Treasurers?  

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Mary LeClair was Barn Cty Treasurer for years - even ran for state treas. Job was eliminated in County Charter. (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

[ Parent ]
When directly asked at TC meeting, Perry ruled out congress until after redistricting. (5.00 / 1)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

Wait for Therese Murray to Retire (0.00 / 0)
That Senate Seat would be as good as ours if he ran for it.

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Retirement or not (0.00 / 0)
Terry is not popular in her own district. She is the very face of the bad votes too. I think she'd have to be the most vulnerable Senate D in the whole state.

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." -PJ O'Rourke

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What if Delahunt doesn't run in 2010. (0.00 / 0)
does that change his thinking, there is a rumor that Delahunt won't run circulating.

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That would make him #5 for announed GOP candidates. (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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To be fair (0.00 / 0)
If Delahunt doesn't run.  Hedlund and Perry would be the two front runners if they chose to run. No?

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Front runner - of course. Target painted on back for redistricting - more true. (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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I kinda wish.. (0.00 / 0)
...that someone would just get in on their own and run for LG. Why not? Why leave it up to Baker and his Boston friends to decide? It would definitely create some much needed excitement.

Mihos has said many times that he will not 'choose' (0.00 / 0)

So - if only a Baker choice runs, and Baker loses - well that WILL be interesting, as that Lt Gov candidate will be on the ticket with Mihos!

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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Why not Sullivan (0.00 / 0)
Why wouldn't Christy pick John Sullivan again?  If, according to Christy he was the best LG pick 4 years ago - why wouldn't he be the best pick now?    

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Because he does not intend to pick...at all! That's why. (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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If there was a republican state rep I'd vote for LG (0.00 / 0)
iw would, without a doubt, be Don Humason (R-Westfield). I think he'd balance a baker ticket very nicely.

It's funny (0.00 / 0)
When Arlen Spector leaves the Republican Party-the Dems welcome him in with open arms and embrace a new Party Member who is not with them 100%.

When the idea of a former Democrat joining the Republican ticket comes up we say we dont want him in the Party...

No wonder our party is shrinking...


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Ticket Balance (0.00 / 0)
I believe the electorate would do well to balance the #2 spot with someone from the first or second congressional districts.

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Tim Cahill = Bad. (5.00 / 1)
Paul Loscocco = Bad.
Jeff Perry = Good.

"Victory is Mine!" - Stewart Gilligan Griffin.

FWI- Loscocco was the only elected official in Mass. to back Sen. McCain in the primary. (0.00 / 0)
He could garner a lot of press oppotunities if he ran for Lt. Gov.  

What are voters looking for? (0.00 / 0)
The Cahill pick would reek of a gimmick.

Right now I think voters want someone to go to work for the state. They want a "roll up your sleeves Republican", a stand up guy. Now more than ever that's what resonates. Even Loscocco detractors can't argue against his strong reputation and what he could bring to the race.


"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours."
Hunter S. Thompson  


Loscocco is the man for this job (5.00 / 1)
As always SSR, I enjoy reading your posts.  I weighed in last time you wrote about the LG spot, and continue to believe this is the right spot for Loscocco.  Jeff Perry has a great future ahead of him in this state.  I've been around politics for some time, and I really think he is a rising star.  But Perry is just too far to the right to be paired with Baker, who as you say, seems intent on taking the social issues off the table.  Perry has any number of good options ahead of him, but is best suited to running for a job where he doesn't have to match up with a guy like Baker, who like his political role model Bill Weld, is about as far left as a Republican can be.

Plus, as we all agree, GOP statewide candidates have to run up huge margins in North Shore and Metrowest which are both chock full of independents and Dems that will vote Republican in Governor races to check the legislature....all that education has taught these voters that if they want some degree of balance in state government, you just have to have a Republican Governor.  But winning these regions isn't enough, you need BIG margins.  Baker has N. Shore covered & Loscocco delivers Metrowest in a big way.  As someone who hails from Metrowest, I can tell you that there simply is no elected official more well liked across party lines than Paul. Everyone out here knows him and almost everyone will tell you they'd jump in traffic for him.  He will raise huge dollars from Metrowest, and big money from his extensive contacts in the Boston legal/business/political community, not to mention his personal friendship with John McCain.

I've talked to Republicans, Democrats, and unenrolleds from across the state and every time the LG subject comes up and Paul's name is mentioned, it ends the discussion.  He would be the difference maker for Baker.  People like the fact that the guy is so down to earth, and truly understands the concept of disagreeing without being disagreeable.  That talent has allowed him to build solid relationships throughout the GOP and across party lines.  Even the liberals out there are willing to overlook the fact that the guy is pro life/gun and doesn't mind making tough spending cuts to politically popular programs.

Clearly, Loscocco's voting record over the years demonstrates that he is more of a Libertarian than a true "conservative", and his independent mindset gets him in trouble with everyone from time to time, but there is something refreshing about a guy who actually takes the time to sit around and read every bill before voting on it (I've seen him reading bills in coffee shops, park benches, you name it) and then genuinely taking a position that he believes in without regard who he's going to piss off at any given moment in time.

Plus, as you note, once Baker wins, then what?  If the Dem leadership has been able to make Deval irrelevant, they can damn sure do it to Baker.  Loscocco's excellent relationships in the Statehouse really could play a role in helping facilitate discussions between the camps in a productive way.

Baker couldn't ask for a better LG at his side to help him win this tough race and govern in an even tougher environment on Beacon Hill.


Agreed... (0.00 / 0)
Plus we wont have to give up a legislative seat if he runs...Loscocco for LG makes lots of sense.

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None of the above... (0.00 / 0)
Anyone see the Globe story today? Sounds like Perry and Loscocco are off the table. Could Baker really be thinking about Tisei? Wow. I'm shaking my head and voting for Christy. And hoping that maybe if Scott Brown doesn't get into the Senate he'll go for gov.  

Tisei would be an excellent choice, but I'm worried about losing such a great Senate seat. (0.00 / 0)
I was hoping for Tisei for Congress in 2012, following redistricting.  



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You mean this story? (0.00 / 0)
The one covered here? Interesting, if that's what they're telling the Globe.

What problems do you have with Senator Tisei? Is it because he's an LCR (as he effectively told the Globe)? Is it because he doesn't support the marriage amendment? A perception of ineffective leadership? I was in the latter camp for a bit, and would still prefer that Senator Hedlund be at the forefront, but I have been impressed with Senator Tisei's work as opposition leader and presenter of alternatives at least over the past year.

Also, having spent the better part of the past couple of months in his district campaigning for one of his former aides, David D'Arcangelo, in his ultimately unsuccessful race for Malden City Council, I have come to appreciate the value and support that Senator Tisei has up there.

My chief concern is that we need him in the Senate; otherwise, the Democrats can easily pick off the seat.  Unless he has a prospective successor picked out already, and there are strong candidates out there.  Such as Melrose city councilor (and current state committee member) Monica Medeiros. Not that she would necessarily be interested, but it is a thought.  Still, I would not risk it when you can shore up the base with Cruz and Polito, and even get some crossover appeal in the case of the latter (she does represent Westborough, although not from there).

Eric Gittleman
Boston Ward 21 Republican Committee (Allston, Brighton, Fenway/Kenmore)

My views do not necessarily reflect those of the Ward 21 Republican Committee, the Boston Republican City Committee, or any officers or members thereof.


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Tisei is a liberal (0.00 / 0)
He even voted against the income tax rollback.

Either Polito or Cruz would be a good choice.

"Victory is Mine!" - Stewart Gilligan Griffin.


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Do you have a roll call vote or is he on record on that? (0.00 / 0)
Hey, I'm a liberal too! A classical liberal. An FDP voter (if I lived in Germany).  If that makes me a RINO, then so be it.

Eric Gittleman
Boston Ward 21 Republican Committee (Allston, Brighton, Fenway/Kenmore)

My views do not necessarily reflect those of the Ward 21 Republican Committee, the Boston Republican City Committee, or any officers or members thereof.


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Yes (0.00 / 0)
http://www.cltg.org/cltg/cltg2...
Sen. Tisei was the only Senate Republican to vote against the tax rollback on May 24, 2000.

If you want the actual roll call, spend some time on Google.  I don't have it handy.

"Victory is Mine!" - Stewart Gilligan Griffin.

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Agreed. (0.00 / 0)
Who here really thinks Tisei is a good representative of the Republican Party? And I mean the whole party, not just the GOPers in Boston. I'm not just talking about the marriage vote here. Until very recently Tisei has been wimpy when it comes to fighting the Dems at the state house. And when was the last time he spoke at a state committee meeting? How much respect does he have for us little people who may not hold much sway but who care a heck of a lot about our Republican principles? I say Scott Brown for Gov.  

[ Parent ]
Lets keep (0.00 / 0)
undercutting everyone in our Party...

Soon well identify a problem with everyone!


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If you call yourself a "Republican" and don't... (0.00 / 0)
...support Tax cuts, as Tisie has, when he was the only Republican to vote 'no' that give me pause.

This isn't even talking about all the other issues he's liberal on.  Tax cuts is supposed to be the issue that unites us as Republicans, and he's doesn't even support that.

He is unacceptable, and frankly unimaginative.  


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No kidding, amazing huh ? (0.00 / 0)


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Bad move picking an elected official for this spot never mind a bad decision picking anyone right now. (0.00 / 0)
Why on earth would you take away an elected seat we now own ? Then, why would you choose an epected official when the tide is obviously against just that ?
Once again, the typical establishment decision is made again. Why not pick someone from the private sector. How about that woman that worked with Baker and was Devals financial head for a while ? Sorry, I Cannot remember her name at the momentanyone ??
I am sure there are plenty of people qualified enough out there that will run.

Good Post (0.00 / 0)
I think on all of the criteria you mentioned -- including bringing new people into the fold and fundraising -- Loscocco is the best for the position. A few of the biggest reasons, in my opinion, are:

(1) Quite simply, he's from the Metrowest. He retains a lot of goodwill in the area, and clearly this is the key "swing" area of the state Baker needs to do well in to succeed.

(2) He has a lot of respect inside the Statehouse from members of both parties. This is important for governing reasons -- he could be a good asset for a Baker Administration in pushing forward elements of his agenda. Even though the MA legislative process ain't pretty, it's key to have people who understand the process inside and out for a governor to be successful.

(3) Somewhat related to #2, he's a conservative who comes off as more of a moderate. Partially this is due to gay marriage, of course, but if you look at his overall record, he's about as solid a conservative you can get in Massachusetts -- all without being perceived as an ideologue. This will be helpful not just for the 2010 race, but would give the party another high-profile (and viable) candidate capable of winning another state-wide office later on as well.

(4) For what it's worth, having Loscocco as the LG candidate wouldn't mean having to give up a legislative seat.

Anyway, good post, and keep up the good conversation.




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